8th World Rogaining Championships
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Flying participants?

What is the speed of running if people cover 22.7 cm=9km in 1:08:21 at night-time?

CP: 80


There are probably also other mistakes still in split times.

Team No 168 who got 8th place happened to WaterPoint1 (at the NE part of map) between points 66 and 90 (at the SW part of map). Therefore they covered totally the longest route of 135 km according to split times.

I'm sure the organizers will erode such anomalies from the results.

But leg 80->finish has rather direct road and I believe best teams can easily cover it within 1h08min even after 16h moving. Nightime has no effect on running on good path. Only if the team did not show good running in other legs, then organizers should seek for other possible solutions.


What is the point of this question? If you take a look at the map, then you can see, that you can run pretty much all the way on the roads and with the full moon we had - I think it's totally doable.


The point is that it is quite normal if people ask for help and transportation if wet, cold and tired. But it is not normal at all if they report at finish as if they have completed the course on foot... and have their result registered. (btw even overall winners don't show average speed 7 min/km at night...).


Overal winners did not do average 7 min/km because their route was mostly in woods and swamps. And the average is by beeline, actual run is around. On direct road I am sure they did MUCH faster.

Team 202 who finished early did a test at night between points 66 and 82 on road, where there are kilometer signs. They ran 6 min/km and walked ~8 min/km. It was 9th hour in dark.

So it is possible.

Alar, 76


CP: 45 14.09.2008 2:08:25 0:43:57
4 1,504 km 0:29:13 0:10:59
CP: 31 14.09.2008 2:37:36 0:29:11
3 1,236 km 0:23:36 0:09:43
CP: 80 14.09.2008 4:23:19 1:45:43
8 2,28 km 0:46:22 0:13:12
CHECK OUT 14.09.2008 5:31:40 1:08:21
9,128 km 0:07:29
Well, OK it could be possible for a men's team - theoretically.(And beeline "80-check out" isn't 9,1 either) But this is not the case here...
So cheating is accepted :)


Cheating is not acceptable. However, the sport has to rely to a great extent on the sense of fair play by participants, as it is not possible to set up 24-hour 'police' service at each control and on each leg. We may suspect that the team in question did use some external assistance, but the existing evidence is not sufficient. If the team used assistance in getting back to the event center, they should have reported at the finish.

Lauri Leppik


Subtract 10 minutes from 1:08 for getting out from CP80 to road, add 1 km (or more???) to distance because of road curves. Thus the team had to run 10 km in 1 hour on good roads. This is definitely doable, be it night or day.

Kaur (team 365)


...they should have reported at the finish...
Yes, but they didn't.


who are we talking about? it's not ok to make someone guilty if they have not explained what happened. now it's just gossip.


"Võistkond peab kogu võistluse ajal liikuma koos. Koosliikumise kriteeriumiks on silmside olemasolu võistkonna liikmete vahel." - Team members must travel together within eyesight of each other" - Isn't it one of the most important rule of rogaine?

From the blog of winners of a XV class they honestly describe of breaking this rule, and not by little - they/he say/s that it was hard even to hear eachother. (oher thing is the usage of whistles to communicate with teammembers - whistles are required for them to be used only in an emergency - what if some other team would have stopped racing and started looking for other roginers in trouble?)


Firstly it should be clarified that the requirement to remain within an eyesight is a rule that has been used at the TAOK rogaines.
The relevant IRF rule, B10 stipulates:
"Members of a team shall remain within unaided verbal contact of one another at all times whilst on the course."
In other words, the Estonian rules have replaced "hearing" with "seeing".
Nonetheless, it is clear that the basic underlying idea of the rules in both cases is the same that team members shall remain together at all times. What differs is the way how this "together" is interpreted and how to check whether the distance between team members is still tolerable. However, it is clear that using whistles to communicate between team members is not an "unaided verbal contact" and is an inappropriate use of whistles, which shall be used only in case of emergency.

There is definitely still a way to go in making the rules better known to the growing community of rogainers.

Lauri Leppik


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